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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:28 am 
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Plan to fill in Rollover Pass proceeding

By T.J. Aulds
The Daily News

Published November 19, 2009
The Texas General Land Office next week is expected to submit its application to fill in Rollover Pass, the waterway that cuts through the Bolivar Peninsula from the Gulf of Mexico to Galveston Bay.

State officials told county commissioners Wednesday that the closure of the pass will come with the construction of a new fishing pier to keep some of the recreation draw of the area intact.

The application to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is the final phase of the process before the pass can be closed. Once — and if — the application is approved, the state land office would begin filling in the 200-foot wide, one-eighth mile long channel as early as January 2011.

Ray Newby, a geomorphologist with the land office, told commissioners that filling the pass would not be done all at once but instead in phases and would take up to four months to complete.

Newby also announced that the state wouldn’t leave anglers who frequent Rollover Pass high and dry. The land office is proposing building a large fishing pier that would extend out into the Gulf of Mexico from land adjacent to where the pass cuts through the peninsula. The pier is a trade-off for closing the pass, which is a “lightning rod” issue for many residents on Bolivar, especially members of the Gilchrist Community Association, which has been fighting the state’s plan to close up the pass.

Last month, the association sent a letter to U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison asking her to step in and stop the closure. Opponents of the closure argue it would kill the Gilchrist economy, which already was mauled by Hurricane Ike.

The state legislature earlier this year approved $5.85 million to fill in the pass, and the land office applied for $4.37 million in federal hazard mitigation flood prevention grant money to pay for the project.

Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson supports the pass being closed in part because the state spends about $1 million a year dredging it. He also argues that the pass leads to greater beach erosion along the peninsula that contributed to severe flooding problems and may have made the storm surge damage from Ike worse, especially in the Crystal Beach area.

The land office is pressing ahead with filling the pass because the money has to be spent before the start of the next legislative session in 2011.

Newby said the land office plans to hold a public hearing on the closure plans either in February or March.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomorphology


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:?: Geomorphology - The study of the origin of secondary topographic features which are carved by erosion in the primary elements and built up of the erosional debris. :?:


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To placate the fisherman, the state land office will build a pier that extends out into the Gulf of Mexico. I wonder how long that pier will be in length? Anyhow, they'll build the pier, the next hurricane will destroy the pier and then that will be the end of the pier since I doubt it will ever be rebuilt.


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I'm sorry for those of you who are against this but I'm one fisherman who is happy about Rollover being closed. OK, I'm not all that sorry but I was just being polite.

Rollover should be closed. It's a man-made pass which, in addition to costing millions of taxpayer dollars to maintain, has had an extremely negative effect on East Bay. Rollover has also negatively impacted the geology of the Bolivar Peninsula by increasing erosion.

A good friend of mine grew up in the Winnie/Anahuac area and his grandfather still farms rice in the area. According to his grandfather (now 87 years old) prior to Rollover Pass being opened East Bay was miles and miles of shallow grass flats with crystal clear water and huge oyster reefs. Rollover killed that because if the increased sediment clouding the water and killing off the seagrasses and changing the salinity so the oyster drill snail could proliferate and decimate the oyster population.

As sportsmen who support the preservation of both the environment (gotta keep the water good so there are fish to catch) and our rights of access and fishing we should support this closure as well as the building of the fishing pier. We should also work to ensure the state creates an access point into the ICW where the pass once was after it's filled it. And we should also work to help the state re-establish both the seagrasses and oyster reefs in East Bay.


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we had this discussion when the idea was first broached last year. Standby for the sides to align:

A1) This is the last decent free fishing spot around, and their close allies
A2) if they close that pass East Bay will turn in a huge (insert adjective and noun here) and then of course there will be
A3) we live down there and we need the business the pass brings to help us survive

and in the red corner:

F1) There are still plenty of places to fish without spending $1 million of our money a year to keep it open, and then there will be
F2) I remember before the pass opened we used to fish in East Bay and the water was so much (insert adjective here) and of course
F3) we live down there and we are tired of the jerks and losers that hang around just because of that pass.

I line up as an A1 with a minor interest in F2. In any event, it looks like its gonna close.


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we had this discussion when the idea was first broached last year. Standby for the sides to align:

A1) This is the last decent free fishing spot around, and their close allies
A2) if they close that pass East Bay will turn in a huge (insert adjective and noun here) and then of course there will be
A3) we live down there and we need the business the pass brings to help us survive

and in the red corner:

F1) There are still plenty of places to fish without spending $1 million of our money a year to keep it open, and then there will be
F2) I remember before the pass opened we used to fish in East Bay and the water was so much (insert adjective here) and of course
F3) we live down there and we are tired of the jerks and losers that hang around just because of that pass.

I line up as an A1 with a minor interest in F2. In any event, it looks like its gonna close.


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I just hope, when they fill in the pass, there will still be access to launch a yak or boat into Rollover Bay from Gilchrist. There was a launch ramp near the ICW on the ferry side of Rollover Bay. Since Ike, I'm not sure if it's still there.


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Chief Brody wrote:
we had this discussion when the idea was first broached last year. Standby for the sides to align:

A1) This is the last decent free fishing spot around, and their close allies
A2) if they close that pass East Bay will turn in a huge (insert adjective and noun here) and then of course there will be
A3) we live down there and we need the business the pass brings to help us survive

and in the red corner:

F1) There are still plenty of places to fish without spending $1 million of our money a year to keep it open, and then there will be
F2) I remember before the pass opened we used to fish in East Bay and the water was so much (insert adjective here) and of course
F3) we live down there and we are tired of the jerks and losers that hang around just because of that pass.

I line up as an A1 with a minor interest in F2. In any event, it looks like its gonna close.


Wow, someone as sarcastic as I can be!!! Perfect post :mrgreen: I guess I line up as a "curious about F2" since I dont have personal experience about before it was open but I believe the stories.

I always figured it was only a matter of time before someone fell on those jagged remnants of bulkhead and impaled themselves anyway. If its not going to be maintained then it needs to be closed.


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will come with the construction of a new fishing pier to keep some of the recreation draw of the area intact


Whoever is crafting this statement for the government has never fished a day in their life....I GUARANTEE you ....how will the draw stay intact when there is nothing there
to draw the fish to that area.....how is sticking a fishing pier in the middle of the beachfront...miles from any other structure going to attract fish...thus fishermen...I know me personally if they fill it in....I would have absolutely NO reason to ever step foot anywhere west of stingaree...I'd consider that and anything to the east dead water..jmo..


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Thanks Finn and Mrs A.

Here is a question for those of you with initials after your name - do flounder and other migratory fish species have memory of the geography that they use to run between deep and shallow water, or does instinct and their senses guide them in their voyage by noticing changes in temp, salinity etc and in that help them find the nearest pass?

For instance, if they close the pass in January of 11, will we have a bunch of flounder banging their little flat heads up against the Gilchrist shoreline trying to find their way back home?

If one of you initial carriers determine that is indeed going to be the case, can you please refrain from posting publicly that fact and just send me a pm? Please?


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I'm sorry for those of you who are against this but I'm one fisherman who is happy about Rollover being closed. OK, I'm not all that sorry but I was just being polite.

Rollover should be closed. It's a man-made pass which, in addition to costing millions of taxpayer dollars to maintain, has had an extremely negative effect on East Bay. Rollover has also negatively impacted the geology of the Bolivar Peninsula by increasing erosion.

A good friend of mine grew up in the Winnie/Anahuac area and his grandfather still farms rice in the area. According to his grandfather (now 87 years old) prior to Rollover Pass being opened East Bay was miles and miles of shallow grass flats with crystal clear water and huge oyster reefs. Rollover killed that because if the increased sediment clouding the water and killing off the seagrasses and changing the salinity so the oyster drill snail could proliferate and decimate the oyster population.

As sportsmen who support the preservation of both the environment (gotta keep the water good so there are fish to catch) and our rights of access and fishing we should support this closure as well as the building of the fishing pier. We should also work to ensure the state creates an access point into the ICW where the pass once was after it's filled it. And we should also work to help the state re-establish both the seagrasses and oyster reefs in East Bay.


I tend to agree with this.

The manmade structures (Rollover Pass, north and south jetties, Galveston seawall, Freeport jetties, etc) have ALL contributed to beach erosion and the changing of island geography because of rerouting the sediment to other places. Because of this, these barrier islands (Galveston, Follets, and Bolivar peninsula) don't grow/shrink the way they naturally should. While I'm pretty sure the jetties and the seawall will never be taken down, there's good reason that Rollover Pass should be.


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I'm sorry for those of you who are against this but I'm one fisherman who is happy about Rollover being closed. OK, I'm not all that sorry but I was just being polite.

Rollover should be closed. It's a man-made pass which, in addition to costing millions of taxpayer dollars to maintain, has had an extremely negative effect on East Bay. Rollover has also negatively impacted the geology of the Bolivar Peninsula by increasing erosion.

A good friend of mine grew up in the Winnie/Anahuac area and his grandfather still farms rice in the area. According to his grandfather (now 87 years old) prior to Rollover Pass being opened East Bay was miles and miles of shallow grass flats with crystal clear water and huge oyster reefs. Rollover killed that because if the increased sediment clouding the water and killing off the seagrasses and changing the salinity so the oyster drill snail could proliferate and decimate the oyster population.

As sportsmen who support the preservation of both the environment (gotta keep the water good so there are fish to catch) and our rights of access and fishing we should support this closure as well as the building of the fishing pier. We should also work to ensure the state creates an access point into the ICW where the pass once was after it's filled it. And we should also work to help the state re-establish both the seagrasses and oyster reefs in East Bay.


Man made structure was the only valid statement in this ...the shallow grass flats 50+ years ago...had more to do with it being 50+ years ago than the influx of saltwater and sediment produced by rollover...and more to do with pesticides and fertilizers...etc...of the modern era....Hurricanes and storms produce more sediment in one event into the bay (ie..IKE) than 50+years of the pass being open.....with soo many years of junk deposited on the bottom of that bay...you cut off the water and that place is going to die...not sure if many here remember the 70s in galveston/west bay...that place was a sewer...you couldn't catch a trout in west bay if drug a sein net.....clean things up ..get some new clean water introduced.over the years....now it's great..

also the jetties erode boliver WAY more than the pass ever will...it's a daily rip current produced by the jetties that carries sand away from the beach..

Rollover Pass was a natural fish pass...although improved...widened and deepend by man it's been there for centuries...that's where it gets it's name...Pirates and rum runners etc would roll over parts of Boliver penisula and into the bay to avoid paying port duties..and before the cut was built you could run a boat out thru rollover pass at high tide...I guess the difference is the delta that was in front of the pass prior to it being built....they could do something to stop erosion..but they need to maintain the water influx that has always been there even before rollover was built

Curious also that every other sportfishing group in the lower coast is lobbying their legislation to open and create more passes into their bay complexes...while Galv is closing them...somebodies science doesn't add up...

Also if you create parks...access points...piers...etc...do they maintain themselves....what happend to all the savings you were going to see by closing this area...someone will still have to pick up the trash...do road maintenance....and oh yeah...1st hurricane comes....good by pier.....oh they'll rebuild it.....right like Mecom's...or any other pier on the island that sits in rubble in the surf...right.....and it's 750K every 2 years or 375K anually...charge a 10.00 yearly parking fee sticker...37K paid stickers keeps the pass open...

I'm going to start a petition to close Sportman's rd to public access and fishing.....I'm tired of all the trash and the money the island has to spend to maintain this area....doesn't bother me I own land on that road.....sound familiar...


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I am un decided. I have caught some nice fish at Rollover. It is a good place to fish.

But on the other hand if the pass got as crowded as it got, can you imagine how crowded a peir will get down there?


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I agree Vincent this is also one of the biggest passes on the Coast, fish are going to be disappointed as well, that will suck they swam all that way and have to choose Sabine Or Galveston.......Steve


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Whoever is crafting this statement for the government has never fished a day in their life....I GUARANTEE you ....how will the draw stay intact when there is nothing there
to draw the fish to that area.....how is sticking a fishing pier in the middle of the beachfront...miles from any other structure going to attract fish...thus fishermen...I know me personally if they fill it in....I would have absolutely NO reason to ever step foot anywhere west of stingaree...I'd consider that and anything to the east dead water..jmo..


I'm not sure I understand this comment, or the logic behind it. Are you implying that Rollover Pass is responsible for the miles of excellent surf and wade fishing on both sides of the pass? I hate to tell you sir, but by the time you get to High Island and beyond, there is absolutely no residual affect from Rollover, yet as hundreds of fishermen will attest to, there is untold fishing opportunity from the beach to the nearshore waters. The same can be said west of Rollover. Furthermore, you question who will use a fishing pier "in the middle of the beachfront". Apparently you have never noticed the dozens, or more, people who are usually fishing on any and every fishing pier all along the Gulf of Mexico, regardless of that pier's proximity to any kind of pass. Especially considering that hurricane Ike destroyed the last of the Bolivar Peninsula piers, I will guarantee you that from the day the new pier opens, it will be one of the hottest beach attractions along Bolivar Peninsula.

Aside from that, my feeling is that the authorities should simply let nature take it's course with the pass. It's not a natural pass, so just leave it alone. If nature chooses to leave it open, so be it. If not, so be that too.

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Rollover Pass was a natural fish pass...although improved...widened and deepend by man it's been there for centuries...that's where it gets it's name...Pirates and rum runners etc would roll over parts of Boliver penisula and into the bay to avoid paying port duties..and before the cut was built you could run a boat out thru rollover pass at high tide


I'm not sure where you're getting your information. If you look at any old map of the peninsula, or read any historical accounts, that area was a very narrow point, but it was land. You are partially correct in that the name came from the outlaws rolling barrels of whiskey overland to the bay to avoid paying taxes at Bolivar. The residents could travel by horse and wagon from High Island to Bolivar. They couldn't have done that if there had been a natural pass there.


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Man made structure was the only valid statement in this ...the shallow grass flats 50+ years ago...had more to do with it being 50+ years ago than the influx of saltwater and sediment produced by rollover...and more to do with pesticides and fertilizers...etc...of the modern era....Hurricanes and storms produce more sediment in one event into the bay (ie..IKE) than 50+years of the pass being open.....with soo many years of junk deposited on the bottom of that bay...you cut off the water and that place is going to die...not sure if many here remember the 70s in galveston/west bay...that place was a sewer...you couldn't catch a trout in west bay if drug a sein net.....clean things up ..get some new clean water introduced.over the years....now it's great...


I can't speak to the condition of West Bay but if the influx of water from the Gulf is so important how come there is such great fishing in Baffin? What about 9 Mile Hole and the LLM? You're talking about many, many miles of phenomenal fishing grounds where there is very little exchange from the Gulf.

And, there have been studies to show that the depositing of sediment into Rollover & East Bays from the pass have killed off a lot of the seagrasses. Not to mention the change in salinity allowing the oyster drill snail to thrive and decimate the oyster beds in East Bay. And as everybody knows oysters filter sediment from the water.

I have no doubt that conditions 50 years ago were different but I've seen enough to support the closure of Rollover.


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I'm not sure where you're getting your information. If you look at any old map of the peninsula, or read any historical accounts, that area was a very narrow point, but it was land. You are partially correct in that the name came from the outlaws rolling barrels of whiskey overland to the bay to avoid paying taxes at Bolivar. The residents could travel by horse and wagon from High Island to Bolivar. They couldn't have done that if there had been a natural pass there


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Ruth Stanford remembers a time when a boat could squeeze through Rollover Pass at high tide - before the state cut through it to make a channel flowing between the Gulf of Mexico and East Galveston Bay.

Stanford, 77, who lives in Woodville, grew up as Ruth Nelson of Smith Point, daughter of Jake and Kathryn, and granddaughter of Paschal McNeir, who survived the 1900 hurricane that hit Galveston on his little sailboat, the Cora Dean.

It was on that same vessel one day in the later 1930s, she said, when her parents wanted to run through Rollover, but the tide was going out and there wasn't sufficient depth.

If the state General Land Office gets its way - and a House bill that passed out of a committee on Thursday will help it - Rollover Pass will be a thing of the past.

Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson wants to close manmade passes between the Gulf and inland bays. Patterson said he will not approve any coastal rebuilding projects until the pass is filled in.

"It's a cut-and-dried deal," said Claude Kahla, 80, lifelong resident of High Island and president of the Gilchrist Community Association, a group that has cared for Rollover since 1985.

"The cut opened the same day I opened my store - in July 1955," Kahla said.

Kahla owned the True Value Hardware store in Gilchrist before Hurricane Ike destroyed the community.

Stanford's hand-drawn map is from 1885, and it clearly shows Rollover Pass with a line at the place name bisecting the Bolivar Peninsula between the Gulf and East Bay.

Stanford said she got the map in the early 1990s from a member of the Johnson family, which lived on the peninsula.

"This tells such a huge story of the area, which doesn't resemble the world at all today," she said.

"Rollover is natural. All they did was dig it deeper, block it in and put a bridge over it," she said.

The map has numbers on the various places it depicts, corresponding to people's names along the top and the margins. It's where they lived. Stanford pointed to a couple of names of residents on High Island, "47 feet above sea level," according to the map.



The family name is Revia, and Stanford said local lore indicated a Revia served as a cook aboard a ship captained by buccaneer Jean Lafitte, whom she said was able to cross Rollover from the Gulf into East Bay.

"People who don't know what Rollover originally was should realize what was there long before," she said.

Cliff Tomerlin, 48, who owned three businesses in Gilchrist before the storm, said he testified against closing Rollover at the House Land and Resource Management Committee, which passed HB3986 on Thursday.

The bill states: "The commissioner of the Land Office may undertake the closure of any manmade pass between the Gulf and an inland bay if the commissioner determines that the manmade pass causes or contributes to significant erosion to the adjacent beach shoreline if the land office receives legislative appropriation or other funding."

Patterson on April 1 told The Enterprise: "We're not pouring sand into a sinkhole."

He referred to the state's efforts to renourish eroded Bolivar Peninsula beaches. He said he won't spend money to rebuild beaches if Rollover is still open because he said it contributes to erosion. Sand flows through from the Gulf to East Bay, he said.

The peninsula is at its narrowest at Rollover - about an eighth of a mile.

"We feel there needs to be other avenues looked into," Tomerlin said.

He said there are no guarantees that an alternate structure like a fishing pier would be built.

"We think it's important because it had a big economic base," Tomerlin said. "We found 32 businesses within four miles of Rollover Pass. People don't realize the financial impact."

From the Beaumont paper....but I've heard the same thing from old locals...


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Whoever is crafting this statement for the government has never fished a day in their life....I GUARANTEE you ....how will the draw stay intact when there is nothing there
to draw the fish to that area.....how is sticking a fishing pier in the middle of the beachfront...miles from any other structure going to attract fish...thus fishermen...I know me personally if they fill it in....I would have absolutely NO reason to ever step foot anywhere west of stingaree...I'd consider that and anything to the east dead water..jmo..


I do not believe that Rollover is a natural pass anyway. Manmade!

Another positive is that maybe there will no longer be a 3' high layer of garbage all over the place.


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Man made structure was the only valid statement in this ...the shallow grass flats 50+ years ago...had more to do with it being 50+ years ago than the influx of saltwater and sediment produced by rollover...and more to do with pesticides and fertilizers...etc...of the modern era....Hurricanes and storms produce more sediment in one event into the bay (ie..IKE) than 50+years of the pass being open.....with soo many years of junk deposited on the bottom of that bay...you cut off the water and that place is going to die...not sure if many here remember the 70s in galveston/west bay...that place was a sewer...you couldn't catch a trout in west bay if drug a sein net.....clean things up ..get some new clean water introduced.over the years....now it's great...


I can't speak to the condition of West Bay but if the influx of water from the Gulf is so important how come there is such great fishing in Baffin? What about 9 Mile Hole and the LLM? You're talking about many, many miles of phenomenal fishing grounds where there is very little exchange from the Gulf.

And, there have been studies to show that the depositing of sediment into Rollover & East Bays from the pass have killed off a lot of the seagrasses. Not to mention the change in salinity allowing the oyster drill snail to thrive and decimate the oyster beds in East Bay. And as everybody knows oysters filter sediment from the water.

I have no doubt that conditions 50 years ago were different but I've seen enough to support the closure of Rollover.


Well...I'd put the galveston bay complex up against any on the gulf coast and the LLM doesn't have 4.5M people within 1 hour of it either...and where do you think those big fish in the LLM are going to go? NOWHERE they have nowhere to go...so they stay there and get fat ..and big..no need to leave it doesn't freeze the bay like it did in the 80s...but that has little to do with currents...or tidal movement....
the oyster industry was killed on 1 day last year...think about that...in one natural event all the oyster in East bay got toasted...covered with silt and sand for the most part...soaked in gasoline and other man made contaminents..but that one natural event did more damage to the bay in a single day than rollover has in 50yrs...
I really don't have a stake in this fight...I personally haven't fished rollover in years..and it won't effect me personally if they do close it or the areas I fish...Hell ....west bay will be the diggs when East bay dies..


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Rollover killed that because if the increased sediment clouding the water and killing off the seagrasses and changing the salinity so the oyster drill snail could proliferate and decimate the oyster population.


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And as everybody knows oysters filter sediment from the water.


I think I saw a spotted owl nesting near the pass...I might need to have some environmentallist look into that.. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Filling in Rollover Pass
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From the Beaumont paper....but I've heard the same thing from old locals...


If you read the book "They Made Their Own Law", by Melanie Wiggins, you find numerous first hand accounts of how the residents of Bolivar peninsula, from the early settlers until Rollover Pass was dug in the early '50s, travelled the peninsula from one end to the other, first by foot, then by horse, then wagon, and later by automobile. That would hardly have been possible had there been a naturally occurring pass of navigable depth.


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 Post subject: Re: Filling in Rollover Pass
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will come with the construction of a new fishing pier to keep some of the recreation draw of the area intact


Whoever is crafting this statement for the government has never fished a day in their life....I GUARANTEE you ....how will the draw stay intact when there is nothing there
to draw the fish to that area.....how is sticking a fishing pier in the middle of the beachfront...miles from any other structure going to attract fish...thus fishermen...I know me personally if they fill it in....I would have absolutely NO reason to ever step foot anywhere west of stingaree...I'd consider that and anything to the east dead water..jmo..


Well, they do stick oil and gas platforms offshore miles from any other structure and they seem to attract fish.


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