Handgun in Kayak

[braumeister]

As expensive as good handguns are these days, it sure seems like a bad to have one in a wet saltwater environment. If I were that paranoid about being accosted on the water I would just stay stay home.

[walkeraviator]

A good stainless/polymer( M&P) firearm kept dry in a waterproof bag and cleaned properly should have no issues in salt water environment.

[walkeraviator]

So in Texas, CFL information is accessible by running a persons drivers license info? This seems weird to me. I come from a state where the law specifically restricts CCDW info from being attached to a drivers record. In addition no duty to inform, and open carry laws.

With that said, I always informed any officer who stopped me. Common courtesy. I also politely explained state law to officers who confronted me about open carry. Sometimes officers just don't know. Not their fault, they have a whole encyclopedia of laws to enforce... Can't expect them to know every one. Just remember to treat them with respect. They are just doing a job.

But I know I'm just preaching to the choir here. You are all some stand up guys around this joint.

[Johninaustin]

As expensive as good handguns are these days, it sure seems like a bad to have one in a wet saltwater environment. If I were that paranoid about being accosted on the water I would just stay stay home.

It's not about being "accosted" on the water. It's about being robbed back at the truck. Something that happens with regularity in the Corpus area.

Oh, and I've been carrying the same gun for over a decade now. No corrosion issues.

[JaimeInTexas]

When open carry becomes legal, why not walk through wal-mart with a .44 mag strapped to the hip? Just carry a knife and a concealed handgun too. A knife is an indispensable tool. The few times I do not have mine, it seems that I need it.

I think that there movement towards making the CHL a rider on the DL and save on costs of managing the program.

[5x5]

"BTW, if you are in a car registered to yourself, they know as soon as they run the plate that the owner has a CHL."

It shows up on your DL return, not your vehicle registration. Did your CHL Instructor tell you that?


"The original law required you to display both your CHL and DL when asked whether or not you were carrying a handgun."

The law required that you produce your CHL when an official requests ID, if you are carrying. Did your CHL Instructor tell you that?

Not trying to pick on you, just pointing out some of the misinformation being passed around.


I have heard an instructor teach that if your weapon is momentarily exposed -- for instance, a gust of wind blows your jacket up momentarily -- that you are guilty of intentionally failing to conceal the weapon. That's not what the law says, but that's what some instructors teach. I have heard instructors teach that consuming any amount of alcoholic beverage while carrying under a CHL is a criminal offense. That's not what the law says. Granted, drinking while you are carrying wouldn't be considered the wisest thing to do, but the law contains a specific definition of "intoxicated" for the purpose of the CHL statutes. Most people can drink a glass of wine with dinner and still be unimpaired. I have heard that at least one instructor's class consists of turning on a Power Point presentation and telling the students to call him when it's over so he can turn on another one. No one is there to answer questions, or to explain why certain laws were enacted, or how they work. The students pass the course, but they don't learn much. Now, I strongly believe that everyone has the right -- and an obligation -- to defend him/herself and his/her family, but in today's world you had better be able to know what is and is not legal while doing so. The world is getting more violent every day, but there are also more and more people looking for ways to disarm society, and you need to know the truth about what is permissible. Political agendas trump justice every time.

Read the laws. Don't rely on peoples' opinions and interpretations, especially people that you don't know. If you have time to ask 'Cousin Joe, the DPS Trooper' about the law, you have time to Google it up. And read the definitions in those laws; the legal definition may encompass territory you never dreamed about. It's your butt on the line, and "I read it on the kayak fishing forum" won't help you much in court.

And you would be wrong on both accounts. When I got pulled over last year with a trailer light out, the DPS trooper asked me if I was carrying since I had a CHL before I produced my ID. He verified that the records are linked since they are all DPS records.

And yes, as originally written, you did have to produce both when asked for ID whether you were carrying or not. I have had my CHL since year one and my instructor was an active DPS trooper.

[JRB-USMC]

And you would be wrong on both accounts. When I got pulled over last year with a trailer light out, the DPS trooper asked me if I was carrying since I had a CHL before I produced my ID. He verified that the records are linked since they are all DPS records.

And yes, as originally written, you did have to produce both when asked for ID whether you were carrying or not. I have had my CHL since year one and my instructor was an active DPS trooper.

I cant confirm or deny that about Texas DPS (highway patrol) but that isnt true about city and county police. They don't see anything until they run your drivers license. I actually just had a buddy run my plates and it didnt pull it up.
The original law was wrote so that you had to display your CHL even if you werent carrying. They changed it and I don't remember which year. Now you only have to display if you are carrying. I suggest always displaying! It lets the cop know he isnt dealing with a felon.

I hate to hear that you guys had CHL instructors that didnt know the laws! I take pride in teaching firearm related material and the CHL classes are my favorite to teach because we get to read the laws straight from the book! Now I always have students that get different interpretations from what we read, so I always suggest consulting a lawyer. If you have Texas Law Shield, call and ask them, afterall that is what you pay them for!!!!

[FishingSETX]

Been stopped twice since I got my license. Once by DPS and once by a local city cop. Wasn't carrying either time. Neither asked if I was armed and neither asked to see my chl. Both let me off with warnings.

As for CHL instructors being wrong, happens all the time. Texas law shield did a big presentation and were present for the whole class when I took it so it was good to have someone there who knew the laws.

I never thought I'd have a need for having a chl but sure glad I did when a thug tried to run me over with my wife's stolen car. All it took was the sight of the gun and he was in reverse so fast I thought he'd tore up the transmission!

As for carrying it in the yak unlicensed, from what I've read, it is legal if concealed and legal to transport to and from the yak as long as you are going directly to or from. I wouldn't be shooting the breeze with buddies at the launch with it on your person. Best bet is to get the license and be done with it.

As easy as open carry would make it to have it on you, concealed is a PITA, I think in texas , you'd see a lot more 30.06 signs in store fronts because of the "shock" factor of people walking around with guns on their hips. Right now its outta sight outta mind. Plus, it keeps the crooks guessing who is armed and who isn't. Sure makes being a thug a lot more dangerous!

[Jketchum]

As easy as open carry would make it to have it on you, concealed is a PITA, I think in texas , you'd see a lot more 30.06 signs in store fronts because of the "shock" factor of people walking around with guns on their hips. Right now its outta sight outta mind. Plus, it keeps the crooks guessing who is armed and who isn't. Sure makes being a thug a lot more dangerous!

I agree, outta sight outta mind....again, Im FOR open carry, i think we should use good judgement when we decide to carry open ( the law will pass one day soon ). People will get scared. Its a fact of life that we have to deal with now. And as senitve as some people are about guns, anti-gun lawmakers listen will try to make gun laws more difficult. Thats why i personaly wont walk through walmart with a .44 strapped to my hip.

Not to beat a dead horse, but i know that a persons CHL is registered through DPS, therfore it is attached to your DL and Registration.

[Johninaustin]

Your CHL is not tied to your vehicle registration. What would be the point? Not all cars are driven by the same individual all the time.

Those that believe this, show me where on the CHL application you list all the cars you own, or show me the form that allows you to add or drop cars that you buy or sell.

Oh, and your car is not registered thru DPS. It's registered thru your local county tax office. They share the information with DPS.

[Jketchum]

The local government receives the info from DPS?

Not sure, speaking from experience though. Not long after i got my license (3yrs ago) i got pulled over by a county sheriff, in conversation with him he told me that in running my plates he knew that i have a CHL... He might of been B.S-ing Me? I dont know....

[Gambit]

Ladies and Gents,

Please study the pamplet, its here in black and white just download it and study it.

I wouldnt want any of you to be in a bad way.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetFo ... CHL-16.pdf

I do know that there are new revisions of the statutes that go into effect today. So we will be getting a new updated version for this legislative session.

Updates are here for this session.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Le ... lation.htm

[RattleSnakeByte]

Senate Bill 1907 Effective: Sept. 1, 2013
Caption Text: Relating to the transportation and storage of concealed handguns and ammunition by license holders in vehicles on the campuses of institutions of higher education.

Prohibits a place of higher education (such as a college) from prohibiting a student from storing a handgun and/or ammunition in a vehicle on campus.

Question. what about a parent visiting?

[Frreed]

A CHL holder can leave a weapon in the parking lot under the current law. The new legislation keeps colleges from implementing policy which keeps a student, who holds a CHL, from keeping the weapon in their car.

Sadly Campus Carry was killed. Maybe in 2015 the legislature will get its act together and make it possible for CHLers to carry anywhere a LEO can. That would be the least restrictive law we could hope for.