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I still haven’t learned how to catch fish in Texas and struck out again. I launched from the public boat ramp near the coast guard station in Freeport. Very nice protected ramp and not crowded at all. There were only two boat trailers in the parking lot when I arrived this morning.
I hung a right and fished the shoreline along Canal Drive and then went across and fished the opposite bank.
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I then peddled across to the Quintana Jetty side and started fishing along the rock wall before being yelled at by a guy from one of those pilot boats. He was waving his arms and I thought he was telling me to get out of there.
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Not really sure, but I peddled across to the Surfside Jetty and made my way out into the Gulf of Mexico. I only made it about 200 yards past the tip of the jetty before turning around and heading back in. 3-4 footers rolling in about every 5 seconds was a little too sporty for me.
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I was surprised to see a shrimp boat fishing inside the basin. I didn't think they would be allowed to do that in there.

4 trips on my kayak so far in Texas and zero keeper fish. I did have on a slim, short silver thing for a few seconds before it jumped and let go of my lure. Lots of short bites which I’m assuming were the same type of fish. At least it didn't rain. - Dave
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Don't give up on kayak-fishing, Dave. You just have to be on location when the gamefish are there!

Sounds easy, but it's not. I recommend you join up with one of the TKF veterans on your next trip. They can help you find the fish.

By the way, that skinny silver fish you almost caught was probably a Ladyfish, also known as Ribbon or Needle fish. Fun to catch but not good to eat. But sometimes they swim with schools of Speckled trout.

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You need to hook up with the Hobie Navy and join them on one of their nights in the canal lights.

Now's a good time of the year if you slather on the skeeter repellent.

I've met them at the Sea Isle boat ramp and they seem like nice guys... That's just a hop and a skip (and a $2 toll bridge) from Freeport.
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impulse wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:46 pm You need to hook up with the Hobie Navy and join them on one of their nights in the canal lights.

Now's a good time of the year if you slather on the skeeter repellent.

I've met them at the Sea Isle boat ramp and they seem like nice guys... That's just a hop and a skip (and a $2 toll bridge) from Freeport.
Thanks, Impulse. I like to think we are nice guys. This board is filled with a pretty good group of guys. I’ve met several now and haven’t been disappointed yet.

Dave, you are welcome to join me on any night trip and I am fairly certain I could help you find that first keeper. Night trips are ideal for me as 1.) I’m not missing out on family/work stuff, 2.) it is much more pleasant than fishing the Texas heat, and 3.) I have a fairly good idea now of when the fish are concentrated at certain lights given the tidal flow. I’m known to go very spur of the moment though if conditions are right.
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Thanks for the report and photos.

start here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8H0c6pOm2g

Then think about structure where you can apply it. Water moving between channels and flats, flats and sloughs, focuses bait around the passes.
Wind currents push bait against structure, and shorelines can be good to fish on a rising tide. Fishing the deeper side of passes is most always productive on a falling tide.

Here was a classic falling-storm-tide trip. We found bait so thick the first morning they were thumping our hulls and rudders.
https://texaskayakfisherman.com/forum/v ... ?p=2310194

I always plan kayak trips to get to structure before max tide current. Also plan so that first long paddle is upwind. May or may not get exciting at the structure. Then the wind pretty much carries you home, and blind drift fish with a sock. Back up when you find fish.
It's using your paddling for a purpose, and maximizing your fishing time.

You'd also be hard-pressed to find a better lure to learn how to fish than Tobin's TSL Grasswalker
see all the teeth marks in this one after a day on the flat.
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It's neutral density, and very easy to keep in the zone - right at the top of the grass.
Weighs 1/4 oz, so it casts like a bullet.
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Here are 1/4 oz, 1/8 oz, and 1/15 oz jigheads
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You can fish the 1/4 oz jighead in slots deep enough you can't see the bottom, but if you try fishing it over visible grass, you're in race to keep it from grassing every cast.
You can fish the 1/8 oz on ML tackle, the 1/15 oz requires finesse tackle.
Here's a good report using wind, structure change and lure weight.
This day was a falling tide, with fish moving out of the skinny into the deeper slot.
https://texaskayakfisherman.com/forum/v ... ?p=2311339
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Just for informational purposes, ladyfish, ribbon fish and needle fish are 3 distinctly different species.

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a couple of things to keep in mind.
Along the TX coast between the barrier islands, there are 15,000 sq mi less than 2' deep.
Adult speckled trout travel 20 mi/day to chase bait. The bigger females travel alone, the adult males in schools.
The small trout you catch are nursery trout and live where you caught them.
Over that expanse, a random trip without focus of structure, tide and wind has very poor odds of finding fish.
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I’ve not launched at that ramp. There’s some off limits due to national security issues areas around in the Freeport Channel and Harbor area. There are also some crazy waves and current generated by the ships that traverse the channel there. I’ve seen the water get completely and rapidly sucked out and then a rapid tidal wave of water return from some of those little coves along the rocks. If someone was waving to the OP, I could see either issue coming into play.

Spanish mackerel will hang out around the tip of the Surfside and Quintana Jetties. I’m no Spanish Mackerel specialist, but sparkling spoons and other not so big silver and gold reflective lures and jigs can work on those. Those fish school up so if you get one, you might get a lot. They make outstanding sashimi if you are into that. Tripletail can be out along the buoys out there. Another delicious fish. Sheepshead hang out along the rocks at times.

I’ve fished the Freeport Harbor and old River area. A lot of people fish it. That’s a really busy spot with all the tankers, the Intracoastal Waterway, shrimp boats, pleasure craft. That’s is the dredged out channel of the Brazos River, the mouth and part of the river, now called the New River, was moved down the coast a few miles about 100 years ago. The channel and turning basin runs from a bit over 70 feet deep to maybe 10-12 feet or so up behind the Freeport Police station. There’s areas with Mangrove snapper in there, plus the speckled trout and redfish and no doubt flounder. Lots of debris near the bottom that can snag a lure. There’s someone out when I lived at the beach that used to get some huge trout somewhere along where you were fishing. There used to be some lights to fish at night and maybe still are, I don’t fish at night out of the kayak.
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mwatson71 wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:38 am
Thanks, Impulse. I like to think we are nice guys. This board is filled with a pretty good group of guys. I’ve met several now and haven’t been disappointed yet.

Dave, you are welcome to join me on any night trip and I am fairly certain I could help you find that first keeper. Night trips are ideal for me as 1.) I’m not missing out on family/work stuff, 2.) it is much more pleasant than fishing the Texas heat, and 3.) I have a fairly good idea now of when the fish are concentrated at certain lights given the tidal flow. I’m known to go very spur of the moment though if conditions are right.
Without putting too fine a point on it, one of the nice things about a kayak fishing meetup is that you're not stuck in the same boat in case one or more of the participants drinks too much or gets otherwise obnoxious. Anyone who's ever been on a party boat or a charter with customers/ co-workers knows the type. I've also got a scar or two from errant hooks hitting meat.

In kayaks, you can get as close or as far away as your demeanors, nobody's feelings get hurt, and you're still helping each other get on fish. And you can head back to the car early (or later) if you get in a crowd that's more or less gung-ho about squeezing that last bit of fishing out of the trip.
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adding a ps about nite-lite fishing canals and docks.

The wind blows bait into the canals, and the lights concentrate the bait.
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karstopo wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:09 am I’ve not launched at that ramp. There’s some off limits due to national security issues areas around in the Freeport Channel and Harbor area. There are also some crazy waves and current generated by the ships that traverse the channel there. I’ve seen the water get completely and rapidly sucked out and then a rapid tidal wave of water return from some of those little coves along the rocks. If someone was waving to the OP, I could see either issue coming into play.

Spanish mackerel will hang out around the tip of the Surfside and Quintana Jetties. I’m no Spanish Mackerel specialist, but sparkling spoons and other not so big silver and gold reflective lures and jigs can work on those. Those fish school up so if you get one, you might get a lot. They make outstanding sashimi if you are into that. Tripletail can be out along the buoys out there. Another delicious fish. Sheepshead hang out along the rocks at times.

I’ve fished the Freeport Harbor and old River area. A lot of people fish it. That’s a really busy spot with all the tankers, the Intracoastal Waterway, shrimp boats, pleasure craft. That’s is the dredged out channel of the Brazos River, the mouth and part of the river, now called the New River, was moved down the coast a few miles about 100 years ago. The channel and turning basin runs from a bit over 70 feet deep to maybe 10-12 feet or so up behind the Freeport Police station. There’s areas with Mangrove snapper in there, plus the speckled trout and redfish and no doubt flounder. Lots of debris near the bottom that can snag a lure. There’s someone out when I lived at the beach that used to get some huge trout somewhere along where you were fishing. There used to be some lights to fish at night and maybe still are, I don’t fish at night out of the kayak.
I believe the pilot boat guy was trying to save me. from being swamped. He was on his way out to escort a huge car carrier ship. I would love to catch Spanish Mackerel. I like sushi and my wife is Korean so she loves it. The only two keeper fish I have caught in TX were two flounder and I got those wade fishing with a DOA 2.75" artificial shrimp lure. We ate them raw and they were delicious.
I fished several docks with lights and thought how it might be better at night if they had the lights on.
Never heard of a Tripletail?

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impulse wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:46 pm You need to hook up with the Hobie Navy and join them on one of their nights in the canal lights.

Now's a good time of the year if you slather on the skeeter repellent.

I've met them at the Sea Isle boat ramp and they seem like nice guys... That's just a hop and a skip (and a $2 toll bridge) from Freeport.
How do I connect with Hobie Navy? Is that a Facebook group or something?

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Dandydon wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:32 pm Don't give up on kayak-fishing, Dave. You just have to be on location when the gamefish are there!

Sounds easy, but it's not. I recommend you join up with one of the TKF veterans on your next trip. They can help you find the fish.

By the way, that skinny silver fish you almost caught was probably a Ladyfish, also known as Ribbon or Needle fish. Fun to catch but not good to eat. But sometimes they swim with schools of Speckled trout.

Good luck.

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Thanks. I have no intention of giving up. When I moved to Oregon it took me 2 years to learn the PNW fisheries. I don't want to wait that long this time!
I consider myself a good fisherman, I just need to learn this 2' deep stuff. I've already got some oyster rash!
I won a couple of saltwater kayak tournaments a long time ago in SoCal. I had over 30 rods before I moved here from OR. I think I'm down to about 25 now:)

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mwatson71 wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:38 am
impulse wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:46 pm You need to hook up with the Hobie Navy and join them on one of their nights in the canal lights.

Now's a good time of the year if you slather on the skeeter repellent.

I've met them at the Sea Isle boat ramp and they seem like nice guys... That's just a hop and a skip (and a $2 toll bridge) from Freeport.
Thanks, Impulse. I like to think we are nice guys. This board is filled with a pretty good group of guys. I’ve met several now and haven’t been disappointed yet.

Dave, you are welcome to join me on any night trip and I am fairly certain I could help you find that first keeper. Night trips are ideal for me as 1.) I’m not missing out on family/work stuff, 2.) it is much more pleasant than fishing the Texas heat, and 3.) I have a fairly good idea now of when the fish are concentrated at certain lights given the tidal flow. I’m known to go very spur of the moment though if conditions are right.
Thanks for the invite. I would love to do that. Need to get a light. I have to wake up at 5am M-F so could only go on a weekend.

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https://tpwd.texas.gov/fishboat/fish/di ... tail.phtml

Tripletail. The most I ever saw was in a boat just off the mouth of the Brazos River. Must have seen 100 that day, but we only got one to take anything offered. But, they aren’t always that selective.

Huge ribbonfish, a.k.a. Atlantic Cutlassfish, inhabit areas of the Freeport harbor. Those are found fresh and whole in the Asian oriented food markets in SW Houston, I’m not sure how they are preparing them. I’ve never eaten any, but when I fished the harbor would catch two and three foot long ones at times on smaller paddletails and flies like clousers. Mangrove snapper are also in the harbor.

Saltgrass bait has a ramp just over the levee, but before getting to the bridge there at Surfside on the right coming from the north. $5 to launch, but it’s pretty secure. All that area holds fish, mainly redfish and flounder, but also some trout and sheepshead and black drum. There’s the deeper channels, maybe 8 feet or so, and then some more shallow flat type areas. I see a lot of pedal drives in there when I’m fishing. Sort of an industrial setting, though, but it doesn’t bother the fish. No more industrial than the harbor area. I’ve had great catching days in that area, then some not so great. I generally bump near and along the bottom paddletails rigged on jigheads out there in 12-30” of water, not far from some of the shorelines. The flat out there can get schooling redfish at times, especially in September and October. Might be tough with the mirage drive up on the flat, though. But a big pod of redfish is always fun to cast to.

Cowtrap is supposed to be having a lot of fish now, that’s a long pedal or paddle. Cedar lakes is across from Cowtrap and closer to the ramp at the end of the San Bernard.

Really, any of the bays and marshes, rivers and creek along the ICW can be good or bad. These fish follow food around and it’s a matter of recognizing signs and sometimes just being in the right place at the right time. I know I have paddled by fish in the past and probably still do at times. Some of the clues are very subtle and very easy to miss.

There’s definitely areas of structures in many of these places that are good at holding fish year in year out, perhaps on a seasonal basis or maybe related to water levels. Generally, any oyster reef margin with moving water holds some predator fish. Sometimes, it’s only small fish and sometimes it is keeper fish. The greater Freeport Surfside area is blessed with oyster reefs. It is a trick to fish them though without snagging your line. One way is suspending something under a cork. Or using something with a more neutral buoyancy or something on the surface. My favorite way is to just skim the top of the submerged shell with something that sinks some, but it takes some practice.

I go out fishing looking for signs and signals amidst the noise. Sometimes, the pattern is pretty clear and sometimes I run out of time before I find a clear signal.
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impulse wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:44 am

Without putting too fine a point on it, one of the nice things about a kayak fishing meetup is that you're not stuck in the same boat in case one or more of the participants drinks too much or gets otherwise obnoxious. Anyone who's ever been on a party boat or a charter with customers/ co-workers knows the type. I've also got a scar or two from errant hooks hitting meat.

In kayaks, you can get as close or as far away as your demeanors, nobody's feelings get hurt, and you're still helping each other get on fish. And you can head back to the car early (or later) if you get in a crowd that's more or less gung-ho about squeezing that last bit of fishing out of the trip.
Such a good point, I had to to reply. Just one of the hundred reasons or so I love kayak fishing.
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Ron Mc wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:59 am a couple of things to keep in mind.
Along the TX coast between the barrier islands, there are 15,000 sq mi less than 2' deep.
Adult speckled trout travel 20 mi/day to chase bait. The bigger females travel alone, the adult males in schools.
The small trout you catch are nursery trout and live where you caught them.
Over that expanse, a random trip without focus of structure, tide and wind has very poor odds of finding fish.
Important points here. This is what makes speckled trout so fun… and so dang frustrating. It is amazing to me that a fish that taste so good to other fish will swim that far to eat. The threat of predation leads me to believe they do it at night, in the grass, channels, and such. Especially a 20-25inch trout is a lot of silver swimming around that far. It does indeed put that species in a peculiar situation.
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Certainly inshore, specs are the apex piscivore.

Back when limits were 10, I caught a 20" schoolie spec at Cedar Bayou that been filleted down one side by a shark.
Gut sack was intact, he was missing that gill, and scarred over the full length of the fillet with red scar tissue.
Could tell something was odd from the fight, since the fish could only turn one direction.
I took the other fillet.

We saw the aftermath of a dozen blackwater days in the surf at Cedar Bayou, arriving too late and finding a million pieces of mullet bobbing in the surf - couldn't buy a strike, unless you wanted a hardhead.
We hit blackwater just right one day. It was low tide, dead calm, and you could wade to the 2nd gut.
Finger mullet surrounded your legs, using you for cover, and all facing out to the surf. At the gut, rafts of big mullet were being slashed by big specs and sharks. Every wave crest carried a daisy chain of specs, nose to tail, riding the wave crest into the beach.
Didn't have to cast the fly rod - any finger-mullet-sized fly daubed in front of them took a fish.

When you drift over a 30" trout sitting in a sand hole in Rattlesnake Bay, she may look like she's loitering, but she's fishing in ambush.
Somewhere out on LLM, she has staked out a breeding turf that can support the fry she produces there.
Just like we travel to fish natural phenomena that concentrate bait and gamefish, she traveled there to fish. Tagged sow trout caught in ULM at Flour Bluff have also been caught in Baffin Bay.
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https://thewoksoflife.com/pan-fried-belt-fish/

A recipe for belt fish, a.k.a Atlantic Cutlassfish a.k.a. Ribbonfish.

Looks like these are also consumed as Sashimi in Japan. I may have to make a dedicated Ribbonfish trip this winter. The Freeport Harbor is ideal for pursuing this species. Probably other harbors up and down the coast would be good also.
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as a kid waiting to board Wharf Cat, fishing from the Port A dock, I caught a 5'er on Zebcc and Johnson's Sprite.

Think I would still aim that kayak to cuts along Aransas and Lydia Ann channels, timed for falling tide (i.e., paddle at high tide).
I've caught fly rod jacks at LHL Marker 27 pass into Lydia Ann. Mackerel have been reported as far as Corpus Christi Bayou.
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Fishing should only improve as we get into fall. One, It will get more comfortable with so much stinging sweat running down your forehead and into your eyes. The blazing sun will transition from a potentially dangerous foe to warm and inviting friend. Fewer people will be out blocking favored spots, many fishing types will get siphoned off to hunting or school activities. It’s easier to get away with the 10 o’clock scholar, mid morning to afternoon type of fishing schedule, perhaps not being so necessary to get out at the crack of dawn to beat the heat.

Summer fishing these days, I really have to talk myself into going. Am I mad enough at the fish to go and endure the sweat bath and burning sun? Usually, the answer is no.
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karstopo wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 5:59 am Fishing should only improve as we get into fall. One, It will get more comfortable with so much stinging sweat running down your forehead and into your eyes. The blazing sun will transition from a potentially dangerous foe to warm and inviting friend. Fewer people will be out blocking favored spots, many fishing types will get siphoned off to hunting or school activities. It’s easier to get away with the 10 o’clock scholar, mid morning to afternoon type of fishing schedule, perhaps not being so necessary to get out at the crack of dawn to beat the heat.

Summer fishing these days, I really have to talk myself into going. Am I mad enough at the fish to go and endure the sweat bath and burning sun? Usually, the answer is no.
The heat does suck, but I don't mind starting at the crack o dawn.

Decided I need to add one of those fancy BFS setups to my arsenal. I saw some tailing fish that I couldn't cast to with my light spinning gear. Most of my gear is baitcasting, but no ultralight stuff. Maybe a Daiwa Alphas Air TW or Daiwa Gekkabijin. Not sure about the rod.

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I like and prefer using relatively light weight lures and such. I’m not familiar with those BFS reels, just how light do they go? I have one baitcasting rig that I use, a Lews, cannot remember which model exactly, but I generally fish with 1/16 ounce jig heads paired with the smaller paddle tails like DSL burner shad, Saltwater Assassins, and the smaller H&H paddle tails. I haven’t tried anything lighter with the Lews, though.

I never got into spinning tackle. If I really want light and small, I’ll bring out the fly gear. But, a baitcasting rig that can toss very light weight lures is intriguing.

I’m into keeping tasty fish and going lighter and smaller can open up some opportunities on smaller mouth, but tasty species like sheepshead, croaker, whiting, sand trout and black drum, among others. Plus, being extra stealthy with light weight low splash lures around very shallow water redfish and such isn’t such a bad thing either.
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